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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8606372" data-attributes="member: 29398">If those were melee attacks, that's not good at all.&nbsp; Missile attacks?&nbsp; Well, I could see getting one quick shot in before you can react but nothing more than that (barring unusual effects e.g. you are Slowed or the attacker is Hasted).This is a misconception some seem to have with my position: the combat-triggering &quot;action&quot; that should happen before anything else against a surprised foe isn't a whole round's worth of stuff.&nbsp; It's one shot or one swing or one other quick move done before the target sees it coming, after which regular initiative is rolled.Ideally the DM should let it work in reverse: if that's how he runs it for someone attacking you by surprise then that's how he should run it for you doing likewise to an NPC.&nbsp; If he doesn't, that's a bad DM.'Alert' assumes the table uses feats; for those that do, this is a valid idea.&nbsp; Taking dip levels like that isn't something I'd ever allow, for many reasons beyond just this.&nbsp; And Dex bonus to initiative is something I've never been a fan of, in that it makes an already-very-useful stat even more powerful.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 8606372, member: 29398"] If those were melee attacks, that's not good at all. Missile attacks? Well, I could see getting one quick shot in before you can react but nothing more than that (barring unusual effects e.g. you are [I]Slow[/I]ed or the attacker is [I]Haste[/I]d). This is a misconception some seem to have with my position: the combat-triggering "action" that should happen before anything else against a surprised foe isn't a whole round's worth of stuff. It's [B]one[/B] shot or [B]one[/B] swing or [B]one[/B] other quick move done before the target sees it coming, after which regular initiative is rolled. Ideally the DM should let it work in reverse: if that's how he runs it for someone attacking you by surprise then that's how he should run it for you doing likewise to an NPC. If he doesn't, that's a bad DM. 'Alert' assumes the table uses feats; for those that do, this is a valid idea. Taking dip levels like that isn't something I'd ever allow, for many reasons beyond just this. And Dex bonus to initiative is something I've never been a fan of, in that it makes an already-very-useful stat even more powerful. [/QUOTE]

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