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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MGibster" data-source="post: 8270949" data-attributes="member: 4534">I think that issue is what prompted WotC to remove attribute penalties from 5th edition.  (Maybe they removed them from 4th but I don't remember.)  Without the penalty you wouldn't feel punished for creating a halfling fighter or a half-orc bard like you did with AD&D.  One of the things I kind of like about 5th edition is that I don't feel pressured to make sure my character starts out with an 18 or 20 in their primary stat. If we're going to make such a radical change as to get rid of attributes having any impact on combat abilities then just get rid of attributes altogether.  But what of spells that temporarily reduce attributes?  Would we just rewrite them to remove combat bonuses?</blockquote>