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Decoupling Smite from spell slots?
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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 8559821" data-attributes="member: 92511"><p>My response to that would be...</p><p></p><p>This is the inherent (and oft overlooked) advantage to a class that doesn't rely on magical power... This is exactly the "edge," forgive the pun, of a mundane (vs. "magic dependent," not meaning "boring/run-of-the-mill") class.</p><p></p><p>When a paladin is "out" of smites per day (or whatever increment) they have spell slots to fill in for some time -and to [USER=52734]@Stormonu[/USER] 's original desire- and still would have some ability to use non-smite spells.</p><p></p><p>When THOSE are all done, a paladin is still a warrior archetype, right? Probably in heavy armor. Probably with a big weapon. Probably with a BUNCH of hit points (with the great AC = stay standing longer = more rounds to deal damage), and decent strength bonus. A paladin without smites is not somehow "woe is I, I can't deal decent damage, at will, all day long."</p><p></p><p>The thief with the sneak attack isn't laying on hands or have divine health or access to spells (as a default, arcane tricksters hardly count as they're third casters and paladins are half) or sense Evil ("divine," whatever) or project Auras of anything.</p><p></p><p>I was also, and probably should have been more clear, <strong>not</strong> saying it HAD to be d6. It could be a d8. Or 2d6. Or "2 (automatically) + d6" (so, guaranteed, 3-8 hp extra damage). But, point was, whatever it is decided to be, it is flat and doesn't scale. If you want it to scale, then that's what the sl=pell slots are for. 1st level slot = additional [d6/d8/2d6/whatever it is]. 2nd level slot = additional [d6/d8/2d6/whatever it is] X 2. and so on. That's where your scaling is/comes in. So, it's possible.</p><p></p><p>But again, it's possible as a MAGICAL extra thing. So, no, it should not "scale" like a sneak attack. It's a limited -very special, even extra special if you want to take narrative/in-game from your [oath/god/ideal/whatever] source into account- resource.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 8559821, member: 92511"] My response to that would be... This is the inherent (and oft overlooked) advantage to a class that doesn't rely on magical power... This is exactly the "edge," forgive the pun, of a mundane (vs. "magic dependent," not meaning "boring/run-of-the-mill") class. When a paladin is "out" of smites per day (or whatever increment) they have spell slots to fill in for some time -and to [USER=52734]@Stormonu[/USER] 's original desire- and still would have some ability to use non-smite spells. When THOSE are all done, a paladin is still a warrior archetype, right? Probably in heavy armor. Probably with a big weapon. Probably with a BUNCH of hit points (with the great AC = stay standing longer = more rounds to deal damage), and decent strength bonus. A paladin without smites is not somehow "woe is I, I can't deal decent damage, at will, all day long." The thief with the sneak attack isn't laying on hands or have divine health or access to spells (as a default, arcane tricksters hardly count as they're third casters and paladins are half) or sense Evil ("divine," whatever) or project Auras of anything. I was also, and probably should have been more clear, [B]not[/B] saying it HAD to be d6. It could be a d8. Or 2d6. Or "2 (automatically) + d6" (so, guaranteed, 3-8 hp extra damage). But, point was, whatever it is decided to be, it is flat and doesn't scale. If you want it to scale, then that's what the sl=pell slots are for. 1st level slot = additional [d6/d8/2d6/whatever it is]. 2nd level slot = additional [d6/d8/2d6/whatever it is] X 2. and so on. That's where your scaling is/comes in. So, it's possible. But again, it's possible as a MAGICAL extra thing. So, no, it should not "scale" like a sneak attack. It's a limited -very special, even extra special if you want to take narrative/in-game from your [oath/god/ideal/whatever] source into account- resource. [/QUOTE]
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