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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Mormegil" data-source="post: 7650229" data-attributes="member: 6688783">Hmmm. You are right, in some groups and some situations with some systems it could, perhaps, sometimes, work like that. I see where you are coming from. I just never experienced what you are saying, and I seriously doubt I ever will. By the way, I started out with the core of 3.5, but I'm playing 4E.That's not the experience I have with 4E. At all. In my group, most fights last around 30-40 minutes. And really, I don't think you can reduce the time a fight last that much without taking away what makes it interesting. But that's besides the point, which is... meaningful fights are interesting. Random trash fights are not. For me, of course.I find iteresting your position on the "filler content". If I could, I woul offer you a link to an episode of Extra Credits discussing intrinsic vs extrinsic rewards; it's a very interesting video (and a very cool series to boot). Google "extra credits extrinsic vs intrinsic", it's the first result. I believe that there are lots of ways to reduce the amount of prep time for an adventure without inserting extrinsic activities (such as random encounters, filler content, even unfun combat rounds). For instance, the rules framework offerend by 4th edition makes sure I never have any problem with preparation even mid-session. That leaves me with lots of time to work on the story, which in turn means I never have to insert "filler content". I will make however a distinction between "filler content" and "downtime", the latter being important to pacing. However, you can make sure the downtime is interesting and fun (intrinsic) even if it's there just to maintain the pacing (usually, I make sure characters have time to devote to themselves and their personality, or occasions where the problems at hand are less serious and more of an occasion to have casual fun; however I can see this being random encounters if you are really into combat).In general, I believe there is no excuse for having extrinsic content in your games except lazyness (which can be a good excuse, sometimes RL is not nice); there is no excuse especially to have extrinsic content built into your game system. Now I know D&D is proud of its fighting system (always has been, I believe) and tries to shove it everywhere, but there's lots of design space to work with even outside of it.Yeah, I can see people having fun with random encounters. But I was expressing my opinion on these rules, not the opinion of everyone involved. And I should not I was expressing it with the point of view of someone who intends to rip off 5e of anything not bolted down and see what works in 4e too. This system could be a selling point if it's done well enough.Also, I believe that a dungeon crawling group is less likely to use rules that are an abstraction of dungeon crawling. Exploration rules seem to be born out of the idea that you should have the possibility to run story-driven exploration too: that's the reason I believe they're going to be cool. Unless I'm mistaken and they're going to be not. (For me.)More power to you. However I would be interested in the longer response: maybe I can learn something from it.</blockquote>

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