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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 1961453" data-attributes="member: 707">So your argument here is &quot;the PrC seems to be based on defense, so it should get unlimited defense&quot;?&nbsp; That seems an odd turn of logic to me.&nbsp; Just because the Deepwarden is meant to be tough doesn't mean he's meant to be unrestricted in any way.&nbsp; A Duelist is meant to have an intelligent defense, and his Int to AC is still limited.Personally, although I agree with Scharlata about hating Con-to-AC, I'd still require it be restricted by the Max Dex Bonus of his armor.&nbsp; He gets to use Con in place of Dex.&nbsp; It's still the same AC modifier, resticted in the same ways.A paladin's Divine Grace is just that, Divine Grace.&nbsp; The paladin isn't saved by his winning smile, he's saved by the grace of god.&nbsp; Charisma, which also measures force of will, not only &quot;smooth manners&quot; is merely the means of measuring how much of his god's grace a particular paladin enjoys.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Pendragon, post: 1961453, member: 707"] So your argument here is "the PrC seems to be based on defense, so it should get unlimited defense"? That seems an odd turn of logic to me. Just because the Deepwarden is meant to be tough doesn't mean he's meant to be unrestricted in any way. A Duelist is meant to have an intelligent defense, and his Int to AC is still limited. Personally, although I agree with Scharlata about hating Con-to-AC, I'd still require it be restricted by the Max Dex Bonus of his armor. He gets to use Con in place of Dex. It's still the same AC modifier, resticted in the same ways.A paladin's Divine Grace is just that, [i]Divine[/i] Grace. The paladin isn't saved by his winning smile, he's saved by the [i]grace of god[/i]. Charisma, which also measures force of will, not only "smooth manners" is merely the means of measuring how much of his god's grace a particular paladin enjoys. [/QUOTE]

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