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Message: <blockquote data-quote="javcs" data-source="post: 4591863" data-attributes="member: 43677">Depends on what kind of party it is, and just which books are allowed for the players to use. And how much cheese the DM allows.But ... theoretically speaking, of course, yes, it is possible, provided that the players are quality powergamers with enough books allowed. Likely or easy to do? Not at levels 30-40.If the party is only levels 30-40 .. don't chuck a great wyrm force dragon at them if you want them to have a viable chance to not get horribly slaughtered. Have them meet a younger one, or a different kind of dragon, one of an age category where it is an EL-Appropriate creature.Though, as Frank noted, the Dex score is a massive vulnerability, if someone can field a no-save, no-SR Dexterity drain, damage, or penalty effect in excess of 10. Which, if you're epic levels ... shouldn't be too difficult to find a way to do that reliably.Granted, at a level where a Great Wyrm Force Dragon is at least a moderately appropriate encounter for that level ... I could probably build a character that would effectively be undetectable by said dragon, and a character that could possibly seriously damage (maybe even kill, with lucky rolls) said dragon in melee, if the dragon didn't have time to buff. This is, of course, assuming that I'm building a character without limitations on what WotC books I can use.</blockquote>