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Message: <blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 4593310" data-attributes="member: 1210">Have you actually played a 3.5 epic game, especially one that started at sub-epic levels so that the players really knew how to use their characters?Absolutely a 40th level party could take this thing on. The epic level 3e party I dmed (see story hour in sig) got up to as high as about 33rd or 34th level (well, ECL in some cases) by the end. Could they have taken out a great wyrm force dragon? I don't know for sure. I doubt it. But they could probably do it by 40th. I was amazed, again and again, and just how incredibly epic 3e epic characters are. They could hit ACs in the 60-70 range; one pc could cast three earthquakes in a round; one pc could dish out the "Inoke Special"- a heedless charge and full attack using maximum power attack, chain of overwhelming force, psionic lion's charge, etc etc etc, and issue a good 800 hit points of damage in one round. When sheer force couldn't deal with something, they had incredible resources- amazing wealth, high positions of religious or political power, etc.- to bring to bear.Epic pcs are powerful beyond belief, especially when well-built and well-played.</blockquote>