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Message: <blockquote data-quote="akbearfoot" data-source="post: 4593436" data-attributes="member: 33560">Whatever wealth and resources a 40th level group of PCs has...It should pale in comparison to the amount in comparison to a great wyrm dragon of CR 59.I've never played an epic game though, so I make a lot of assumptions.I also find it quite unlikely that a group of PCs would 'pick a fight' with a dragon of this power...even if they knew he existed, the dragon should have layers and layers of defenses in place to avoid being disturbed.I know if I had been alive for thousands of years and had amassed more wealth than entire kingdoms posessed I would be paranoid.The highest level group I ran with was 18th level, and we butchered a Collossal red dragon(CR 21 version) in 2 rounds.  But then again the fight started with our melee characters adjacent to him and we were fully buffed going in....If the fight had taken place in the open then it would have been a seriously different fight.A lot of assumptions about a fight like this...Every PC has to be immune to force damage, fear effects, and grappling or they are more or less automatically toast.  Also, they will fail every saving throw vs any attack the dragon uses.  I don't know any spells off the top of my head that protect against force damage, so that requires customized research.  The dragons lair should almost certainly be warded against planar travel, probably by anything but itself.  And security should be in place so that he knows if anyone gets even remotely close.The way I see it is its selling an encounter like this short by NOT playing one of the most powerful creatures in the book like it was meant to be used....It would seem anticlimactic to me.  Basically you'd probably have to dumb it down to be beatable by a 'normal' group of PCs.  By normal I mean PCs that arent made with 15 different books and a few dragon mags...PCs without items that give them 6 different +6bonuses to their stats on unslotted items, with 18 permanent buffs like truestrike and wraithstrike.</blockquote>

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