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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Goumindong" data-source="post: 4741497" data-attributes="member: 70874">Look, you made a statement "my position is reasonable" the only way i can disagree with that is by saying that your position is unreasonable. So if i disagree that is the only thing i can say. Don't feign indignation about someone saying you're wrong, this is a discussion forum, explain why you're right. I did, you can too. Well you could, but you're pretty definitively wrong and when you're definitively wrong you need to admit it and just move on. [E.G. the other day i claimed that you got a -5 penalty attacking an adjacent enemy that was in a stinking cloud, but alas, it was not true, it is only a -2 because the full concealment penalty is only -2 when you're adjacent]Is your position reasonable? Is the fact that people are taking your position as unreasonable unreasonable as you implicitly claimed it was? Something that is "at best aggressive".I really want to know where these principles come from. I want to know where the "every non-free action you take is part of your turn" action principle is. I really want to know where and when that is applied to immediate actions.I want to know where this comes from "Your actions are still your turn, for purposes of other effects that depend on turns"I want to know how immediate actions and OA's qualify the definition of "On your turn you take actions: a standard action, a move action, a minor action and any number of free actions, in any order you wish" (PHB 266) as you say "because it still meets all definitions of a turn"I want to know how immediate actions qualify for that or ignore the other part that says "In the initiative order, every combatant takes a turn, which includes various actions. (Combatants can also take certain actions on one anothers turn)"(PHB 266-267)I want to know how immediate actions qualify as your turn when "your turn" has no immediate actions listed as able to be executed and immediate and opportunity actions are explicitly prohibited on your turn(PHB 268).I want to know how "Other combatants can take free actions on your turn and you might take actions that trigger immediate actions and opportunity actions from other combatants" (PHB 269) doesn't have anything to say about this since it explicitly then lists immediate and opportunity actions from other players as happening on your turn.I want to know why "Actions on Other Turns" where it explicitly spells out, for the 5th or so time that your opportunity and immediate actions happen on other turns (PHB 269) does not make your position unreasonable. The problem is that it does make your position unreasonable, me claiming that it is unreasonable is not me being mean, its me stating a claim then supporting it.</blockquote>

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