Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="RyvenCedrylle" data-source="post: 4990768" data-attributes="member: 66726">I'm involved mostly with LFR games, on both sides of the screen, and as a DM, nothing irks me more than staring down the business end of a Warden (Dareus' Dwarf Warden Torman in particular).  I can run two or three guys past a Fighter in a round and at least one will get through unhit.  It may cost me another action to get the other enemies past, but I can do it.  I can direct Brutes at the Paladin or Swordmage to absorb damage, but there is almost nothing I can do to stop that Warden from just rampaging across the field.  Three things specifically:1) Marking mid-charge:  He has a ridiculously high AC so he'll charge right through groups of monsters, watching the OAs bounce off of him and then mark three or four mid-movement.  Sure it's only a one-round mark but he's got several pegged.2) Control over damage:  I ignored the mark and smacked a squishie.  Warden's Grasp goes off (no roll, mind you) and now I can't get out.  To me, this is far worse than the Paladin's divine challenge triggering.  Loss of HPs don't change anything until the monster is dead.  Sometimes it even helps since I get to bust out Bloodied effects.  But if I can't shift and am slowed?  Nowhere to run.  That guy's about to get surrounded and curb-stomped by Controllers and Strikers.  Plus the Warden is far enough away that he's going to Charge me again, picking up more marks on the way over.3) Reach weapons:  Sure, a Fighter could take a reach weapon, but he's not going to get  to use that reach for an opp attack in Heroic Tier.  That level 1 Warden is going to deliver Warden's Fury once per round from 2 squares away out of the box and once again, the enemy who is now granting combat advantage immediately becomes Public Enemy #1 for the round.  Basically, if I know he's coming, I have to plan the encounter around how to keep him from choosing my strategy for me.  That being said, he's worthless against Solos and even Elites to some extent.  I have to deal with the Paladin and Swordmage there - particularly the Shielding Swordmage.</blockquote>

Verification