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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nyaricus" data-source="post: 2545570" data-attributes="member: 35678">*bump*this is a really useful post here, so i thought id bump it up, and add some of my own opinions/commentary <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />i couldnt have said it better. this is WotC's "hidden" defense bonus in every class. Simply, Fighters have better training, and can avoid blows better. Take a Fighter 20 and A Wizard 20, both with 14 Con, and no other items. the Fighter would have 145 HP (average) and the Wizard would have 82 HP (average) take a Orc with 14 Str and a Greataxe and a free swing at either > Thats 9 damage on average -OR- 1/9 of the Wizards HP or 1/16 the Fighters HP. who do you think is better at defending here? The Fighter, because, simply, he fights; ALOT.wow, some very good ideas here. You always read about those guys in the Full Plate being so clumsy and all, but in D&D, you can be reletively agile in it. To further round out the rule (or further complicate it??) maybe the max dex bonus could stay put. Meaning that a Fighter in Fullplate (which would be MW and have only -5 Armour Check Penalty) would have to have 22 Dex to gain any Dex bonus, and that would be the maximum (+1). wow, this is going to go in my house rules RIGHT NOW <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> as to this, to clarify; a shield would give a "true" defense bonus, meaning it would apply as per the normal D&D rules. This represents the fact that shields are used to stops blows before they reach the body, while armour basically takes blows for the body (if using armour as DR, which is making more dn more sense)</blockquote>

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