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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FreeTheSlaves" data-source="post: 5410115" data-attributes="member: 9952">See right off the bat these average numbers are very close to the ceiling for many characters.Take a human paladin, +7 att at level 1 requires for example +4 stat, +2 prof & +1 feat. Assuming a generous DM handing out magic items early that happen to suit this character and this character wins the treasure divvy bid, and the character specializes with a base 18, chose the said race with advantageous bonus, and the character opts for an accurate weapon, (phew) you could have a +10 attack bonus at 1st level - but I doubt it.But the character sacrificing feats and ability points to get a bonus ahead of the curve is not even the problem in my opinion. Given a well rounded campaign they'll pay a fair price for their advantage.Nope, the problem I have is the legitimate character with a 16 stat using a +2 prof weapon without further augmentation. The +5 att is just too below the +7 average, the lack of accuracy is imho opinion a bigger problem than a high accuracy character hitting more easily.I would prefer they shave a number off those averages please.For the record my character meets those averages because I'm not naive. However I would like to spend the odd feat and ability points on things not directly related to combat.Off the top of my head, I think one solution is in the future to have a division between combat and non-combat feats, and you get slots for each.</blockquote>

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