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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8044521" data-attributes="member: 6987520">Excellent discussion!I agree, but I find also this is where other build-types shine. For instance, in a recent battle, we had a PC convince a dragon to stay out of the fight since we meant it no harm but were only there to stop the drow and their plans. The PC was actually a diviner wizard. He had an 18 left over from portent, and with proficiency in persuasion, but only a CHA mod +1. All told, his "roll" became a 23, which even with the -10 penalty was good enough the DM ruled that the dragon would wait on the sidelines and basically feed on the losers--in exchange for half of any spoils.We won the battle, but let me tell you if that player didn't act that way, it would have been a much harder fight. Probably not a TPK, but as it was we had one NPC retainer die and might have lost a PC or two as well.So, to address your point, this is what I mean by build types. If you make a fighter with say +2 mod in STR and/or DEX, but also +2 in CHA and give him a background with skills such as Persuasion or just use Intimidate, battles could be "won" without ever being fought. Will it happen often? Depends on the DM and such, but at least you'd have options.I like to give even my "combat-oriented" PCs at least one skill for exploration and one for social, just in case I need to act outside of combat.</blockquote>