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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tilla the Hun (work)" data-source="post: 1658486" data-attributes="member: 14214">Check your definition of suffering.  Even the dead can suffer.  Even more so, death of one, no matter how instantaneously, causes suffering (if defined loosely) to some degree.Harm works no better, using your own example. Eating an apple causes it bodily harm, yet it is incapable of perceiving it, so it is it evil?Unfortunately, you are bordering a tad too closely to the old 'if a tree fell in a forest, would it make a sound' classicalism, if you substitute harm for suffering.Leave suffering in the definition and check it's meaning more closely.  Did the inhabitants of Nagasaki and Hiroshima suffer?  I'd have to think that they did suffer...  No death is instantaneous, and all things capable of perceiving that death can suffer in that micro-instant of time between life and death.As for society defining evil vs good - society defines the usages of such terms via semantics.  That's where these types of discussions spring from.You can choose to have faith in whatever you believe - no one can force you to do otherwise.  So if you believe evil is evil and good is good, well, bully for you.The suffering definition is the least complicated definition I've seen (in more than a few threads like this) and I have seen it before.  Check your definitions on suffering and you'll either agree with it, or dispute it with semantics.  See my line above about faith if you want to argue with it <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  because I don't see the point in such discussions anymore - personal definitions of an abstract concept are, by nature, semantically based upon the individual stating their perception, and thus, by nature, causes difficulty in any two individuals reaching an absolute, ironclad, definition they both agree on.  Agree to (i.e. compromise) sure, but not agree on, i.e. mutually identical.Suffering:Dictionary.Com#  To feel pain or distress; sustain loss, injury, harm, or punishment.# To tolerate or endure evil, injury, pain, or death. See Synonyms at bear1.# To appear at a disadvantage: “He suffers by comparison with his greater contemporary” (Albert C. Baugh).Merriam-Webstertransitive senses1 a : to submit to or be forced to endure <suffer martyrdom> b : to feel keenly : labor under <suffer thirst>2 : UNDERGO, EXPERIENCE3 : to put up with especially as inevitable or unavoidable4 : to allow especially by reason of indifference <the eagle suffers little birds to sing -- Shakespeare>intransitive senses1 : to endure death, pain, or distress2 : to sustain loss or damage3 : to be subject to disability or handicapTo suffer is to bear loss.  I'd say death is the loss of your life, wouldn't you agree?</blockquote>

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