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<blockquote data-quote="Mark CMG" data-source="post: 5244328" data-attributes="member: 10479">The poll forgot, &quot;A wargamer pre-D&amp;D (pre-1974),&quot; though I suppose it might be stretched to include current wargamers.&nbsp; Personally, the more modern variety strike me as neo-grogs.&nbsp; Then, of course, there are the groglings, the children of wargamers who also wargame.&nbsp; Some believe that the earliest grognards who took up (O)D&amp;D were devotees of the Temple of the Grog, an Arnesonian reference, I believe.&nbsp; Throughout the ages there have been those who falsely wished to claim the title of grognard despite not having the credentials, such as Mooser Rubinowitz of Springfield, MO, who started with 3.XE but always used a tape measure, ignoring the obvious squares on the battlemat, and rewrote the rules to include combat tables even though it would have been easier to do such math in his head.&nbsp;&nbsp; John Canto ate paint chips for years and then got a doctor to certify that he had lead poisoning in an effort to prove extensive old school miniatures usage.&nbsp; However, these pretenders were soon discovered and were asked to leave the assemblage, their grog-dues unrefunded.&nbsp; A neo-grog, Calvin N. Hobbesnail (rumored to be an alias), once petitioned for expanding the ranks of the order of grognards.&nbsp; A great row ensued after which it was realized that the neo-grog had disappeared during the din.&nbsp; Four years later his body was discovered on the shore of Lake Geneva and evidence showed he had been wrapped in a 6' x 10' piece of green felt and weighted down with inferior-quality microarmor.&nbsp; Sad.&nbsp; In any event, I'm afraid all attempts at redefinition will ultimately come to failure.&nbsp; Have a nice day (or a Fresca or Tab, your choice).<a href="http://www.alanemrich.com/Writing_Archive_pages/grognard.htm" target="_blank">The Word &quot;Grognard&quot;</a></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mark CMG, post: 5244328, member: 10479"] The poll forgot, "A wargamer pre-D&D (pre-1974)," though I suppose it might be stretched to include current wargamers. Personally, the more modern variety strike me as neo-grogs. Then, of course, there are the groglings, the children of wargamers who also wargame. Some believe that the earliest grognards who took up (O)D&D were devotees of the Temple of the Grog, an Arnesonian reference, I believe. Throughout the ages there have been those who falsely wished to claim the title of grognard despite not having the credentials, such as Mooser Rubinowitz of Springfield, MO, who started with 3.XE but always used a tape measure, ignoring the obvious squares on the battlemat, and rewrote the rules to include combat tables even though it would have been easier to do such math in his head. John Canto ate paint chips for years and then got a doctor to certify that he had lead poisoning in an effort to prove extensive old school miniatures usage. However, these pretenders were soon discovered and were asked to leave the assemblage, their grog-dues unrefunded. A neo-grog, Calvin N. Hobbesnail (rumored to be an alias), once petitioned for expanding the ranks of the order of grognards. A great row ensued after which it was realized that the neo-grog had disappeared during the din. Four years later his body was discovered on the shore of Lake Geneva and evidence showed he had been wrapped in a 6' x 10' piece of green felt and weighted down with inferior-quality microarmor. Sad. In any event, I'm afraid all attempts at redefinition will ultimately come to failure. Have a nice day (or a Fresca or Tab, your choice). [url=http://www.alanemrich.com/Writing_Archive_pages/grognard.htm]The Word "Grognard"[/url] [/QUOTE]

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