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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ThirdWizard" data-source="post: 6257706" data-attributes="member: 12037">This made me think of another aspect of fun vs. unfun: the concept of Misery Loves Company.Back to boardgames for a second, co-operative boardgames have been a big success lately. People enjoy winning and losing together. In co-op games, everyone wins or everyone loses together, and losing can actually be a lot of fun because you all go down together. In team based games, like group sports, you have the commiseration of your teammates to join you in any losses you might have.RPGs can share much the same qualities. They're naturally co-operative, but many people draw fun from participating on a more or less equal level with everyone else. Back to team sports, nobody wants to be the guy batting .100 while everybody else is batting .500. Not only do you feel that you're dragging the team down, but you feel worse about your own ability than if everyone were at your own level. This gets into optimization, random ability score generation, and a slew of other factors that people think of as "fun" or "not fun" based on their own experiences roleplaying.</blockquote>