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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 2178341" data-attributes="member: 5890">All good points, and all point to me making a mistake - Looking at it, bless is probably not one of those spells where the targeting can potentially change - which is something that I more or less realised while I was making my last post... My point still stands for summon monster or any other specifically directable spell.Number 2 - the guy definately gets blessed, whether or not you know he's there. Area spells don't require you to know of the presence of targets, and you definately know the guy is an ally.I think a more complex example isA former ally of the party, that the party has suspicions about, but never really decided was an enemy is, unknown to the party, invisibly present - does he get blessed? Does the answer change depending on whether he really is an ally or an enemy?And A party member, polymorphed into an unrecognisable form that cannot communicate is present and this is unknown to the party - is he blessed?And that's where it really starts to get complex, because both of those are situations where the DM is basically unable to ask the party if they wish to bless the individual in question - in both cases because the party is unaware of the individual's presence and disposition. I'm pretty sure that both have to come down to DM fiat. The DM needs to make a guess as to whether the party would accept the guy as an ally upon sight, and adjudicate the spell accordingly.</blockquote>

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