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<blockquote data-quote="wayne62682" data-source="post: 3035696" data-attributes="member: 40455"><p>Let's keep this one going a bit longer.. I'm curious to hear some more opinions. So far it seems we have two main camps:</p><p></p><p>1) Those who believe that it should be considered metagaming for another player to remind you of something your character would reasonably remember, and that such things should be the DM's domain (i.e. the DM gets to decide if you would recall it or not)</p><p></p><p>2) Those who feel that the above constitues a "cooperative game" and shouldn't be considered cheating as long as the information in question is something the character would be privy to.</p><p></p><p>Not saying that any school of thought is better than the others, just trying to solicit more opinions as to why it's percieved that another player cannot remind you of something you would know. In my own group I've been accused of metagaming for reminding another player OOC that they could move to a certain square and be able to turn some skeletons (the player could clearly see that the square was open, but I guess it slipped her mind). </p><p></p><p>I do not believe that everything spoken during the game needs to be "In Character" and that there's no room to remind someone of abilities (i.e. "game-speak") as a player and not the PC. In fact, I think such things are detrimental to good tactics. If you're required to say in character "Thorgrim, you can flank the bugbear from that corner!" rather than "Hey Bob, if Thorgrim moves to that square in the corner he can flank the bugbear" you just telegraphed to that bugbear that he's going to be flanked, and he's going to move away (assuming he acts before Thorgrim does), thus ruining your tactic. Assuming that Thorgrim is a competant warrior who has fought in many battles, he should be intelligent enough to realize that if he moves a bit to the northwest he's in a more advantageous position.</p><p></p><p>My group, however, feels the opposite way, but I have also had a player say to me when I mentioned D&D was a team game that it was a team game "In [my] opinion".</p><p></p><p>Regards,</p><p>Wayne</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wayne62682, post: 3035696, member: 40455"] Let's keep this one going a bit longer.. I'm curious to hear some more opinions. So far it seems we have two main camps: 1) Those who believe that it should be considered metagaming for another player to remind you of something your character would reasonably remember, and that such things should be the DM's domain (i.e. the DM gets to decide if you would recall it or not) 2) Those who feel that the above constitues a "cooperative game" and shouldn't be considered cheating as long as the information in question is something the character would be privy to. Not saying that any school of thought is better than the others, just trying to solicit more opinions as to why it's percieved that another player cannot remind you of something you would know. In my own group I've been accused of metagaming for reminding another player OOC that they could move to a certain square and be able to turn some skeletons (the player could clearly see that the square was open, but I guess it slipped her mind). I do not believe that everything spoken during the game needs to be "In Character" and that there's no room to remind someone of abilities (i.e. "game-speak") as a player and not the PC. In fact, I think such things are detrimental to good tactics. If you're required to say in character "Thorgrim, you can flank the bugbear from that corner!" rather than "Hey Bob, if Thorgrim moves to that square in the corner he can flank the bugbear" you just telegraphed to that bugbear that he's going to be flanked, and he's going to move away (assuming he acts before Thorgrim does), thus ruining your tactic. Assuming that Thorgrim is a competant warrior who has fought in many battles, he should be intelligent enough to realize that if he moves a bit to the northwest he's in a more advantageous position. My group, however, feels the opposite way, but I have also had a player say to me when I mentioned D&D was a team game that it was a team game "In [my] opinion". Regards, Wayne [/QUOTE]
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