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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Renshai" data-source="post: 161637" data-attributes="member: 1061">This is true. Its true of any setting. NPCs of various power levels have no effect on this. None whatsoever.You see, you degrade yourself in the first point of your argument. You make no rational argument here. You use a “tired”  and quite infantile insult instead. Elminster has nothing to do with the Realms, other than being a retired adventurer that lives there. He does not define the Realms, and they do not define him. For the majority of people who play or run the Realms he is a non-issue. Only people that insist of harping on the Realms bring him up for argument’s sake. Once again, a narrow-minded view. You assume that WotC never intended to create Epic Level Rules? You assume that the power level was supposed to stop at 20th level? It was a convenient stopping point for the core books. Some people might enjoy play beyond that level. It is not for you to belittle or judge them because they might enjoy it.  The baseline rules were NOT created just so the designers could define Realms NPCs. They were defined as the basis for the upcoming Epic Level Handbook. There are very god reasons for Mystra having several Chosen, but I honestly wouldn’t expect you to know why. Other gods have Chosen followers. What is wrong with this?  Templates are a very interesting way to add depth to a game and expand it beyond the core status quo. As far as being a major player… give me a break. In 10 years of running the Realms for different people not ONE person has ever complained that Elminster makes them feel inadequate.  The existing rules in D&D allow for very powerful characters. The Forgotten Realms just happened to be the first book to deal with characters that exceed that maximum. Exceeding 20th level is GOING to happen. Some people want rules for it, some don’t. Belittling those who do is childish and mean-spirited.   You keep using the term Munchkin. You mean it in a derogatory manner…. Why do you insist on passing judgment on someone else’s favored manner of play. Or more apt, what you perceive to be Munchkin. The last time I checked keeping up with NPCs was not the point of Dungeons and Dragons. Since the time that Greyhawk was first released the game has changed. Its dynamic is very different. Comparing Greyhawk and the Forgotten Realms is like comparing apples and oranges. There is no point. It is a matter of taste.Like I said, Greyhawk was created along time ago, before the thought of passing above 20th level in the “Advanced” rules was even considered.  It was expanded in AD&D as time progressed. Greyhawk was dropped for various reasons and therefore never adapted and evolved with the changing atmosphere. It amazes me that some people play games in a fantasy setting, but insist that some sort of cap must be placed on the scope of that fantasy.  If playing in a world where 20th level is the upper extent of attainable power suits you, then more power to you. Don’t pass judgment on people that like to imagine power that can shake the heavens and earth.  I’d dare say those people are having more carefree fun at their games than you are. Ren</blockquote>

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