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Deities in D&D: Gods as Tulpas versus Gods as Progenitors
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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 8850575" data-attributes="member: 8461"><p>I've always liked how AD&D 1E had shades of gods as progenitors <em>and</em> gods as...not tulpas, but as entities that don't show up until <em>after</em> their preferred race of worshipers are on the scene.</p><p></p><p>Which is to say, if you look at the original listing of deities in 1980's <em>Deities and Demigods</em>, the various demihuman and humanoid races all have a single progenitor deity, and that's it. The elves have Corellon, the dwarves have Moradin, the orcs have Gruumsh, etc. No full-on pantheons (those would arrive in 1982 in a series of <em>Dragon</em> articles by Roger E. Moore), just single progenitor deities who – according to the racial level limits in the PHB and the DMG's rules about shamans and witch doctors, along with the notation that gods only personally grant spells of 6th-level and above (with spells of 1st- and 2nd-level being gained from faith and religious mysteries alone, and spells of 3rd- through 5th-level coming from their god's divine minions) – don't seem to care about their creations very much, since they barely even care enough to have their servitors grant them divine magic.</p><p></p><p>But humans? There are entire pantheons out there who are desperate for human worshipers, with even the strongest deities just waiting to offer 7th-level spells in exchange for their worship. And yet none of them claim to be the creators of the human race.</p><p></p><p>Coincidence? I think not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 8850575, member: 8461"] I've always liked how AD&D 1E had shades of gods as progenitors [i]and[/i] gods as...not tulpas, but as entities that don't show up until [i]after[/i] their preferred race of worshipers are on the scene. Which is to say, if you look at the original listing of deities in 1980's [i]Deities and Demigods[/i], the various demihuman and humanoid races all have a single progenitor deity, and that's it. The elves have Corellon, the dwarves have Moradin, the orcs have Gruumsh, etc. No full-on pantheons (those would arrive in 1982 in a series of [i]Dragon[/i] articles by Roger E. Moore), just single progenitor deities who – according to the racial level limits in the PHB and the DMG's rules about shamans and witch doctors, along with the notation that gods only personally grant spells of 6th-level and above (with spells of 1st- and 2nd-level being gained from faith and religious mysteries alone, and spells of 3rd- through 5th-level coming from their god's divine minions) – don't seem to care about their creations very much, since they barely even care enough to have their servitors grant them divine magic. But humans? There are entire pantheons out there who are desperate for human worshipers, with even the strongest deities just waiting to offer 7th-level spells in exchange for their worship. And yet none of them claim to be the creators of the human race. Coincidence? I think not. [/QUOTE]
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