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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kaiyanwang" data-source="post: 9361083" data-attributes="member: 91656">Everything in D&D and similar games belongs to an ideal word, in a manner or another. Even the bad guys.The fire in the forest is not just a series of chemical reaction, is something that is a manifestation of enraged spirits and channels the energy of the elemental plane of fire.The whole cosmology is constructed to illustrate this.In the same way, we know that the codes Knights and Samurai followed didn't reflect on real life people because humans are humans. Samurai being Lawful in some setting, or Cavaliers, Paladins and Knights following edicts and codes reflect nothing of their historical counterpart - it reflects what they were idealized to be, as in a fairy tale. Because this is what the setting should be about, not a self destructing search for realism.Trying to deconstruct everything will only bring ruin. I think is very healthy to be conscious of what history was really like, also to learn from it, especially because certain groups of people want to use idealized fake scenarios of a made-up past as an excuse for their political agenda.But this should not be detrimental for a game that is supposed to tell stories of scoundrels and heroes. We are talking Lancelot and Rostam, not Philip IV and Shah Ismail.In this regard, I think OP you are underplaying what happened to Anatolia after Manzikert. Is true that the crusades ended up in a crapshow (especially but not exclusively the 4th which basically destroyed the Byzantines in 1204, 1453 by the Ottomans was arguably a coup de grâce).But the encroachment was real and started in the 600s (the caliphates), to never stop. Manzikert was lost against a different polity centuries later of course (the Seljuks) but the people of say, Ani were really killed and the city destroyed. And it happened over and over in many, many cases. The Pope didn't need to make up stuff, even if he was professionally inclined to do so in certain instances.</blockquote>

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