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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 9361323" data-attributes="member: 7023887">[SPOILER="Spoiler for the tangent"]I didn’t base my view of crusaders or D&D paladins off that video. It’s a video I saw a while ago and thought sounded correct based on the books it quoted and what I’ve heard of pre-Medieval European racism. From my understanding which you also seem to agree with, Romans didn’t care for other religions and ethnic groups, like Jews, Carthaginians, Gauls, and Germanics, but that was more based on culture than the skin color of the other racial groups. Clearly the modern association of race and skin color emerged sometime, and I thought that the explanation for it coming from the Crusades and Reconquista made sense. Again, if the video is wrong I will remedy my view. But my view of Crusaders remains the same. And I didn’t want to turn this thread into a debate  about if the Crusades were justified. This is not the site for that. I did correct one post that claimed that the Andalusian invasion of France was a cause for the crusades and add that it was the Turkic Migration into Anatolia that caused the Byzantine Emperor to seek the aid of the Pope. I decided not to engage further because the thread about “Paladins are based on crusaders and often depicted as such, that feels gross” shouldn’t have to turn into a debate about if they were justified.[/SPOILER] But the larger point is that people still think of Paladins as Crusaders. They’re still modeled after them. “Deus Vult” is a meme. While the subclasses have a diversity of oaths/worldviews, the popular original image of Paladins is still the baseline (Xenk and Dame Aylin for example). I think that they might need to move beyond that.</blockquote>

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