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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9366244" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Yes. IF you apply that to the heroes of DnD, that would mean that, 1v1 any character who uses stealth or magic (is false) would lose to a character who does not (is true). And you applied that quote to the types of stories that Paladins can be in, which in DnD are stories that include Rogues/Scoundrels, and wizards/Sorceresses both of whom are archetypes also found in Aurthurian tales. Interesting. And Eomer was a villain who was planning on killing Aragorn and his companions? He worked for Sauron their enemy? Aragorn and his companions were trying to sneak past the guards and conceal their identities in the middle of this plain near a pile of orc corpses? None of that sounds right to me, which makes me think this example has literally nothing in common with the one I gave, except that Aragorn (the rightful king) told the heir to his vassal state his true identity when they just happened to cross paths. I suppose valid would mean coherent. I mean, you are the one who called them "invalid". Did you simply mean that any alignment that doesn't contain an emphasis on Good isn't Good? That is a tautology and seems to have nothing to do with the validity of the alignment, just your opinion on whether or not it is... good. A CN Nihilist has a valid point of view. It isn't a healthy or helpful point of view, but it is valid and coherent and a point of view someone could hold.See, now you are adding all sorts of extra claims on this. Morally viable? I never said "morally viable" I said "viable" there is a difference. I never claimed evil is "morally defensible" that would entail me claiming that I could make evil good, which is nonsense. I also find it weird that you don't think LAWFUL Neutral shares tenets with and informs aspects of LAWFUL Good. Do you think Lawful means something different for each of these terms? With no connections? And meanwhile... yes, Lawful Neutral is presented as Valid. It is a world view in which the orders and systems of the world are paramount. Where making sure you do the proper thing in the proper way is the highest imperative. It is somewhat reminiscent of transactional religions, where it isn't about doing the "good" thing, it is about following the rules precisely and without error. You can claim it isn't "morally viable" because it leads to evil taking place in the system... and okay, but that doesn't make it non-viable as an outlook on life. There ARE people like this, these people DO exist, their world view is coherent and logical. And beyond that, DnD presents this as a fundamental, objective force of the universe. Lawful Neutral is Mechanus, the Great Machine, and it is a valid force in the universe to objectively bind yourself to.</blockquote>

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