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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9366263" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>See, if I was going to step back from what DnD says is objectively true (just so I don't get called out for this) then I would say both of those are kind of nonsense, or at least mostly nonsense. </p><p></p><p>"Evil has just as much right to exist as good" - That is nonsense. It is nonsense that DnD employs, but it is nonsense none the less. IT is what Dragonlance did, and that is still stupid in my mind. </p><p></p><p>"You can't eliminate Evil without causing Greater Evil" - This is... mostly nonsense. I would also say that this isn't actually what Dragonlance did. At least, not in the way that I understand the saying to mean. Sure, if you wage a war of genocide against evil, you have created evil... because genocide is evil. It is that same idea that you go out and wage war to create peace. That just isn't how it works. However, this comes about because we personalize and make biological Evil. Evil becomes "Chromatic Dragons are born" and therefore, if that is evil, then the way to destroy evil is just to destroy those beings that are Evil. But, where I think that the truth of this statement lies, is that Evil is a choice. And therefore the only way to fully and completely remove evil from every corner of the universe... is to remove all choice. Which is a horror. </p><p></p><p>But, I am reminded of scenes from various anime and comics here as well. The sort of classic trope of a good-hearted, naive person summoning a demon who offers them a wish. Most people would make a selfish wish, which causes evil and chaos and ect. However, our naive good-hearted boy/girl instead asks for a friend. That is their wish, to have a friend. And, almost consistently, that trope works out to lessening the evil. Which makes sense, if you consider the Yin-Yang symbol. Evil is seed. It is always going to exist, but the less evil that seed has to feed upon, the smaller and less terrible it grows. So, to lessen evil... spread good. Reduce hurt and pain in the world, and fewer people will lash out and hurt others. </p><p></p><p>Sorry, bit of a ramble there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9366263, member: 6801228"] See, if I was going to step back from what DnD says is objectively true (just so I don't get called out for this) then I would say both of those are kind of nonsense, or at least mostly nonsense. "Evil has just as much right to exist as good" - That is nonsense. It is nonsense that DnD employs, but it is nonsense none the less. IT is what Dragonlance did, and that is still stupid in my mind. "You can't eliminate Evil without causing Greater Evil" - This is... mostly nonsense. I would also say that this isn't actually what Dragonlance did. At least, not in the way that I understand the saying to mean. Sure, if you wage a war of genocide against evil, you have created evil... because genocide is evil. It is that same idea that you go out and wage war to create peace. That just isn't how it works. However, this comes about because we personalize and make biological Evil. Evil becomes "Chromatic Dragons are born" and therefore, if that is evil, then the way to destroy evil is just to destroy those beings that are Evil. But, where I think that the truth of this statement lies, is that Evil is a choice. And therefore the only way to fully and completely remove evil from every corner of the universe... is to remove all choice. Which is a horror. But, I am reminded of scenes from various anime and comics here as well. The sort of classic trope of a good-hearted, naive person summoning a demon who offers them a wish. Most people would make a selfish wish, which causes evil and chaos and ect. However, our naive good-hearted boy/girl instead asks for a friend. That is their wish, to have a friend. And, almost consistently, that trope works out to lessening the evil. Which makes sense, if you consider the Yin-Yang symbol. Evil is seed. It is always going to exist, but the less evil that seed has to feed upon, the smaller and less terrible it grows. So, to lessen evil... spread good. Reduce hurt and pain in the world, and fewer people will lash out and hurt others. Sorry, bit of a ramble there. [/QUOTE]
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