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<blockquote data-quote="GrimCo" data-source="post: 9366809" data-attributes="member: 7044462"><p>First of all, you can do evil acts for good cause.</p><p></p><p>On top of my head. Drug cartel leader who uses drug money to help his community by building infrastructure (roads, pluming, electricity, schools, hospitals), hiring and paying living wages to needed professionals ( teachers, doctors, technicians, engineers), giving no interest loans to start small businesses, investing in farmers that grow crops etc. You still do evil things (produce and sell drugs, bribe officials, kill competitors), still have selfish motivation (money and power). For your people, you are saint and savior ( there is a reason why many people in Medellin supported Escobar). For others, you are horrible murderer and death dealer.</p><p></p><p>We can ramble on and on, but D&D alignment system was there to reinforce specific narrative of good heroes fighting evil monsters. Very black and white, very surface level. Game wasn't about reflecting on morality and ethics, players weren't supposed to into deep end and ask why some monsters are evil. It was always- they are evil cause they are evil. Don't ask silly questions, it's just a game. Go on, kill them, take their stuff, so you can be more powerful, kill more evil monsters, take more of their stuff. For f**k sake, it's a game where player can kill Gods. Where mere mortals become Gods. FR official lore has it. Cyric was mortal. He killed god. He became one. He then killed some more gods and took their portofolios. </p><p></p><p>Even game like V:tM, a game with strong themes around morality, ethics, self reflection etc, usually ended up played like Supers with Fangs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GrimCo, post: 9366809, member: 7044462"] First of all, you can do evil acts for good cause. On top of my head. Drug cartel leader who uses drug money to help his community by building infrastructure (roads, pluming, electricity, schools, hospitals), hiring and paying living wages to needed professionals ( teachers, doctors, technicians, engineers), giving no interest loans to start small businesses, investing in farmers that grow crops etc. You still do evil things (produce and sell drugs, bribe officials, kill competitors), still have selfish motivation (money and power). For your people, you are saint and savior ( there is a reason why many people in Medellin supported Escobar). For others, you are horrible murderer and death dealer. We can ramble on and on, but D&D alignment system was there to reinforce specific narrative of good heroes fighting evil monsters. Very black and white, very surface level. Game wasn't about reflecting on morality and ethics, players weren't supposed to into deep end and ask why some monsters are evil. It was always- they are evil cause they are evil. Don't ask silly questions, it's just a game. Go on, kill them, take their stuff, so you can be more powerful, kill more evil monsters, take more of their stuff. For f**k sake, it's a game where player can kill Gods. Where mere mortals become Gods. FR official lore has it. Cyric was mortal. He killed god. He became one. He then killed some more gods and took their portofolios. Even game like V:tM, a game with strong themes around morality, ethics, self reflection etc, usually ended up played like Supers with Fangs. [/QUOTE]
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