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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9367622" data-attributes="member: 6801228">No, you've only said that they scorn the truth and would lie freely. I acknowledge I added the word "must". Rather minor point to get hung up on.I never said it was your example, it was my example with the orphans. But sure, you can loudly declare "I refuse to answer!" as well, and just repeat that ad nauseum. But that also can cause problems for the party. After all, what if the paladin's silence causes deception? Can they stand by silently as someone else lies, or would their need to be forthrightly defiant and not deceptive cause them to shout out that what their party member said is a lie? And all of this is caused, by placing the idea that lying itself is an act of evil, which does not hold up terribly well when good people can lie for good reasons and be good.But whether he is lawful or chaotic has NOTHING to do with the example. He is a Good character, and he is a known liar and deceiver who constantly deceives. He is a trickster archetype, lying about his identity, lying about where things are, lying about people, he does it all, and we are supposed to cheer for him when he does so. Meanwhile, if lying = Evil, then devils are suddenly in a bizarre place. Because it means that Devils are less evil than Yugoloths and Demons, because the sole thing that sets them apart is that they follow laws and contracts, and keep their word. A devil who says they will perform a task if you pay a price is telling the truth, a yugoloth or a demon could be lying. And that is the sole distinction between them. And yes, yes, I know that AD&D doesn't say that a single act changes you alignment, but we are talking a pattern of behavior. Trickster Heroes are defined by lying, cheating, and decieving their foes... which you are saying must be an evil act. But DnD doesn't call those characters Chaotic Neutral or True Neutral, it calls them Chaotic GOOD.</blockquote>

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