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<blockquote data-quote="fearsomepirate" data-source="post: 8269596" data-attributes="member: 7021420">Can't cast somatic spells while dual-wielding, and AFAIK, there are no Cleric Channels that take a bonus action. There is one that takes no action, the War Cleric's Guided Strike. Maybe those few Paladin bonus action CDs should be instantaneous spells.As for the rest of it, if we keep &quot;one non-cantrip spell per turn,&quot; it takes two full rounds to prepare all this, so is it really a big deal? IMO not really, even if you're a War Domain Cleric burning up War Priest strikes, not compared to what a Paladin can already do.I really hate when people put words in my mouth.I said it stays within the 5e power band. Let's compare to the high end of the band: The Paladin. The Paladin is the absolute king in terms of being able to expend lots of resources in one turn. Not only that, but Divine Smite is (a) usually irresistible and (b) unstoppable. No save, no attack roll, no concentration. It's also a lot of damage, since it combines with a weapon attack.Sure, giving more classes ways to expend multiple resources in a turn bumps up their nova potential, but how does it compare to a dual-wielding Paladin smiting 3 times in a round? IMO everything proposed so far is still well below this threshold. And you know what? Players love the Paladin. Players don't want Divine Smite to take a bonus action and Concentration. They want to be able to cast Hunter's Mark and actually use their fighting style on the same turn.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="fearsomepirate, post: 8269596, member: 7021420"] Can't cast somatic spells while dual-wielding, and AFAIK, there are no Cleric Channels that take a bonus action. There is one that takes no action, the War Cleric's Guided Strike. Maybe those few Paladin bonus action CDs should be instantaneous spells. As for the rest of it, if we keep "one non-cantrip spell per turn," it takes two full rounds to prepare all this, so is it really a big deal? IMO not really, even if you're a War Domain Cleric burning up War Priest strikes, not compared to what a Paladin can already do. I really hate when people put words in my mouth. I said it stays [B]within the 5e power band[/B]. Let's compare to the high end of the band: The Paladin. The Paladin is the absolute king in terms of being able to expend lots of resources in one turn. Not only that, but Divine Smite is (a) usually irresistible and (b) unstoppable. No save, no attack roll, no concentration. It's also a lot of damage, since it combines with a weapon attack. Sure, giving more classes ways to expend multiple resources in a turn bumps up their nova potential, but how does it compare to a dual-wielding Paladin smiting 3 times in a round? IMO everything proposed so far is still well below this threshold. And you know what? Players love the Paladin. Players don't want Divine Smite to take a bonus action and Concentration. They want to be able to cast Hunter's Mark and actually use their fighting style on the same turn. [/QUOTE]

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