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Message: <blockquote data-quote="paradox42" data-source="post: 2855556" data-attributes="member: 29746">I stayed out of that one when it became clear where the argument was headed and that it was getting ugly. Besides, several other posters were already echoing my thoughts, so no need to post.I was wondering why you didn't do that! It seemed an obvious thing to do with the thread title. Mods, please do consider adding a poll to this discussion. For the record, I'd vote option 2. Wimpy CR 20-25 stats are just about useless to me already; IMO even the high avatars should be the entities given in BoVD. These beings control whole planes, CRs below 25 just aren't credible.Seperate poll! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> My answer is, "Yes, they should." People who don't want the game to go that high don't have to play that high. In fact, plenty of people end their games before level 15 now, even with the "core assumption" being a game ending at 20. So there's no rational reason not to just assume Epic rules are core and go with it, now that the rules actually do exist (and as Sep pointed out, are even in the SRD). Keeping them separate is really just a holdover from the days in 3.0 before the ELH existed.Most likely- eventually. Give it a few years, and potentially wait for more novels and a putative 4th Edition of the game, and I think you'll see Eberron develop higher-level NPCs in its metaplot and world assumptions. It's a young world, give it time to grow. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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