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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Serge" data-source="post: 2855631" data-attributes="member: 4049">Not only are they in the SRD, they're also assumed in the MM since 3.0 and in the DMG since 3.5.  Dragons and solars have always existed beyond the 20 CR realm and the current DMG offers some support for epic rules.I keep on hearing folks make reference to WotC conducting market research on epic games and their evaluation revealing that there's not enough support for it.  I wonder how broad this research was and, more importantly, if the lack of interest is more based upon a lack of understanding/exposure to epic play and the possibilities therein or (as seems to be the assumption) a genuine lack of interest.  There is no hardcopy support for epic play anywhere save WotC and WotC has done a pretty poor job with their epic line, limiting it to web enhancements and half-hearted attempts in books like BoVD and BoED (and now the FCs).  Aside from a few websites (Dicefreaks, Immortal Handbook, and a few others), there's no one really showing how well epic campaigns can work, now there should be a seamless transition from core to epic to divine rules, and how many different approaches are available.  And, since these websites aren't "official," folks have a tendancy of regarding them as not worthy of attention.For me (and Dicefreaks by extension), the problem is a lack of cosmological sense with no epic demon princes (not necessarily lords).  Although James Jacobs did a fantastic job on the previously referenced thread describing how this could work even using the anemic stats pending for FCI, I think that the ability to create a smooth transition and offering quality support for this level of game play is possible.  And really, if one assumes that the stats in FCI are for aspects/avatars (which they apparently are not), why not have stats for the aspects and stats for the real thing, thereby supporting both sides of the equation?  This was done (poorly, but nevertheless) with DDG, afterall.</blockquote>

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