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<blockquote data-quote="HeavenShallBurn" data-source="post: 2855707" data-attributes="member: 39593">Flavor has to come first, I agree.&nbsp; And that how I run things I'm just saying that at a cosmological level there has to be consistency between flavor and stats.&nbsp; If the flavor says it's a timeless primordial evil older than the gods and is so much a part of its layer that it essentially is the layer that's precisely how it should be said, not throwing out a flavor that speaks of timeless primordial POWER then act like 17-20th level PCs should be able to defeat it.&nbsp; The entire cosmology should be built to work with each of its parts and not self-contradict.I find myself more on the statless side than anything else.&nbsp; But figure that since some people are going to want to run campaigns with characters like unto gods or gods themselves it's only fair to give them a ruleset and stats that adequately handles the whole &quot;battle of eternity&quot; thing.&nbsp; Dicefreaks are the closest I've seen to that, I probably should get the immortals bestiary just to check it out but maybe later.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HeavenShallBurn, post: 2855707, member: 39593"] Flavor has to come first, I agree. And that how I run things I'm just saying that at a cosmological level there has to be consistency between flavor and stats. If the flavor says it's a timeless primordial evil older than the gods and is so much a part of its layer that it essentially is the layer that's precisely how it should be said, not throwing out a flavor that speaks of timeless primordial POWER then act like 17-20th level PCs should be able to defeat it. The entire cosmology should be built to work with each of its parts and not self-contradict. I find myself more on the statless side than anything else. But figure that since some people are going to want to run campaigns with characters like unto gods or gods themselves it's only fair to give them a ruleset and stats that adequately handles the whole "battle of eternity" thing. Dicefreaks are the closest I've seen to that, I probably should get the immortals bestiary just to check it out but maybe later. [/QUOTE]

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