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Demon Lords and Princes: How *Bad* Should They Be?
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<blockquote data-quote="Telesk" data-source="post: 2855869" data-attributes="member: 40832"><p>I like to play Bards, in fact, I like to play anemic, anorexic, halfling Bards. By the way, I like to melee in combat and jig dance. Now when I get to 3rd level and can't do sqaut in melee against an Owlbear should the next source book fix this problem?</p><p></p><p>Or what if I take leaf from the Character Optimization boards and create a character that by level 13 or something can cast epic spells, and deal uber damage? Should the next book published by wizards of the coast make it to where no one can officially do this anymore...the answer IMO is no they should not.</p><p></p><p>DnD is about custimization of your mechanical stats to fit a concept, the persona of your character or NpC, your "flavor" if you will. The rules should not bend to the morbidly weak nor the strong. The game should find a balance point in the background for Demon Lords, Hellish Generals and the big baddy's of Celestia. What is the balance from 1st edition, 2nd edition, and 3rd edition? Is it near level 20 CR, or is it much farther then that?</p><p></p><p>Many Demon Lords have RL historical roots, where they went toe to toe with gods. And god's in 3rd edition have estimated CR ranges in the low thirties to the high sixties, and Planar Lords should reflect in their statistics that they have held their thrones from over 3 editions of the game, and countless novels. I support a CR spread range equal to that of the Deity range, qausi-greater god equivalency, and in some cases they should go beyond this.</p><p></p><p>But on the other hand mortals in fiction and mythology have time and time again beaten back these beings. Some times fighters even do this, though with the class as it is I have a hard time seeing how this is done. But with epic levels, that extra section of the SRD, these feats of legend can happen. The game should better incorperate both facets of the game into a seamless transition from pre-epic to epic.</p><p></p><p>But this is just my two cents.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Telesk, post: 2855869, member: 40832"] I like to play Bards, in fact, I like to play anemic, anorexic, halfling Bards. By the way, I like to melee in combat and jig dance. Now when I get to 3rd level and can't do sqaut in melee against an Owlbear should the next source book fix this problem? Or what if I take leaf from the Character Optimization boards and create a character that by level 13 or something can cast epic spells, and deal uber damage? Should the next book published by wizards of the coast make it to where no one can officially do this anymore...the answer IMO is no they should not. DnD is about custimization of your mechanical stats to fit a concept, the persona of your character or NpC, your "flavor" if you will. The rules should not bend to the morbidly weak nor the strong. The game should find a balance point in the background for Demon Lords, Hellish Generals and the big baddy's of Celestia. What is the balance from 1st edition, 2nd edition, and 3rd edition? Is it near level 20 CR, or is it much farther then that? Many Demon Lords have RL historical roots, where they went toe to toe with gods. And god's in 3rd edition have estimated CR ranges in the low thirties to the high sixties, and Planar Lords should reflect in their statistics that they have held their thrones from over 3 editions of the game, and countless novels. I support a CR spread range equal to that of the Deity range, qausi-greater god equivalency, and in some cases they should go beyond this. But on the other hand mortals in fiction and mythology have time and time again beaten back these beings. Some times fighters even do this, though with the class as it is I have a hard time seeing how this is done. But with epic levels, that extra section of the SRD, these feats of legend can happen. The game should better incorperate both facets of the game into a seamless transition from pre-epic to epic. But this is just my two cents. [/QUOTE]
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