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Demon Lords and Princes: How *Bad* Should They Be?
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<blockquote data-quote="Mirtek" data-source="post: 2855935" data-attributes="member: 40810"><p>That's my point too.</p><p></p><p>Exhausted messenger arrives: Good news! Demogorgon has somehow entered our world and is currently razing some cities!</p><p>Clueless bystander: What? How is this suppossed to be good news?</p><p>Annother bystander: Well, at first they feared it was a great red wyrm and that we were really in trouble. But now we can relax as it's only the prince of demons.</p><p></p><p>That wouldn't have to be bad, but it becomes bad when these assumption is not equally applied throughout the core game. If Demogorgon would be useless with CR higher than 23, then tell me what is a great red wyrm? By that logic it's a waste of space.</p><p></p><p>Well, I actually find the idea depressing that my level 20 character and his pals is able to beat up anything they like. </p><p></p><p>So what's the answer to the secret of the multiverse and the meaning of everything? Well, I guess the answer has to be me, seeing as we just slew the last primordial immortal ruler of the outerplanes.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Has everthing to be killable? Doesn't anybody buy supplements just for gaining new knowledge about the game world? Even if this knowledge comes down to: Yes, we suppose it's possible for a mortal to slay Demogorgon, but not at 20th level.</p><p></p><p>Yes, the stats as represented at Dicefreaks are completly useless for an ingame use (at least for me and I guess for most people), but that doesn't mean I enjoy reading them any less. They represent an logical multiverse (even if I disagree with some DF assumptions about the nature of these entities), it's a logical set up.</p><p></p><p>One of my favorite 2e supplements was <em>Faces of Evil</em>, which was basically a complete supplement without any rules. Just fluff, fluff and more fluff.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mirtek, post: 2855935, member: 40810"] That's my point too. Exhausted messenger arrives: Good news! Demogorgon has somehow entered our world and is currently razing some cities! Clueless bystander: What? How is this suppossed to be good news? Annother bystander: Well, at first they feared it was a great red wyrm and that we were really in trouble. But now we can relax as it's only the prince of demons. That wouldn't have to be bad, but it becomes bad when these assumption is not equally applied throughout the core game. If Demogorgon would be useless with CR higher than 23, then tell me what is a great red wyrm? By that logic it's a waste of space. Well, I actually find the idea depressing that my level 20 character and his pals is able to beat up anything they like. So what's the answer to the secret of the multiverse and the meaning of everything? Well, I guess the answer has to be me, seeing as we just slew the last primordial immortal ruler of the outerplanes. Has everthing to be killable? Doesn't anybody buy supplements just for gaining new knowledge about the game world? Even if this knowledge comes down to: Yes, we suppose it's possible for a mortal to slay Demogorgon, but not at 20th level. Yes, the stats as represented at Dicefreaks are completly useless for an ingame use (at least for me and I guess for most people), but that doesn't mean I enjoy reading them any less. They represent an logical multiverse (even if I disagree with some DF assumptions about the nature of these entities), it's a logical set up. One of my favorite 2e supplements was [i]Faces of Evil[/i], which was basically a complete supplement without any rules. Just fluff, fluff and more fluff. [/QUOTE]
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