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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vuron" data-source="post: 2857624" data-attributes="member: 14">Personally I see the heavy duty named princes and lords as the equivalent of a fully advanced Balor + special abilities for flavor. In thier home plane they likely have additional powers that make them the equivalent of some demigods (Divine Ranking 1-5).However they lack that power outside of thier homeplane(s) and most likely thier sanctum sanctorum. Thus if you are an extremely powerful archmage like Zagyg or Iggwilv you can summon and bind a demon prince to the prime material and force thier service but to truly defeat them you have to beard the beast in it's own den.Permanent defeat would require chipping away at the artifacts and places of power on Azzgarat or Abyssm that the Demon Prince uses to mimic true divine strength. One of Graz'zt's sources of power might be a demonic cage that holds a fully advanced Solar Proxy of one of the gods of  the campaign. Graz'zt might use that imprisoned solar to siphon off a fraction of the divine power of the solar's master. The throneroom of orcus might be at the center of a vast design channeling necromantic energy from the plane itself.This would explain why Demon Princes can be bound by mortals yet they seem relatively eternal. This would also explain why the Demon Princes struggle against each other without success and why Orcus could reclaim his plane from an usurper as the usurper lacked the attunement to the nexuses of power on the plane.In this sort of system you could defeat a demon prince like Demogorgon even without using epic level characters by chipping away at the pillars that support him. By summoning and binding his balor and Marlith servants you limit his ability to exert his power. By making raids on his sites of power you reduce the divine (abyssal) strength he's able to assert. Finally if you manage to reduce enough of his support structure you could show up in his sanctum sanctorum with a full load of allies, cohort, gated creatures, and likely the aid of another demon prince and you could slay demogorgon.Of course that just means that either a PC has to step into the void and become inevitably corrupted or another demon prince claims the plane.</blockquote>

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