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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ripzerai" data-source="post: 2858037" data-attributes="member: 38324">I'm not sure. Bel took over "thousands of years ago," according to Dragon #223. The orcish exodus feels contemporaneous, if not more recent, especially since they were in Hell as recently as Monster Mythology (they seem to have gone back and forth in official products before Planescape stabilized them in Acheron).Deities & Demigods put them in the Hells, I presume Avernus because that's the nearest one to Gehenna and Acheron.Gygax and Greenwood retconned them out of the Hells.Manual of the Planes put them in Acheron. This is 1st edition, and thus before the "Reckoning" in-game. Eons ago.Monster Mythology put them back in the Hells. This was after the Outer Planes Appendix, and thus post-Reckoning. The Dark Eight, in this era, were in charge.Planescape put them back in Acheron. Planescape was hazy about who ruled Avernus, for a time claiming Bel was only a warlord working for the unnamed Lord of the First, but later revealed that Bel had his master imprisoned and had been running the show himself for millennia.So, assuming publishing date affects the way the planes work in-game, the orcish exodus might have been slightly before, slightly after, contemporaneous or quite a bit after Bel's ascension. Or Monster Mythology could just be written off as a mistake, but I'd rather rationalize it.Tiamat's reign was retconned out of existence. The idea of a dragon in a baatezu's position bothers me, anyway. I don't always support retcons, but this one feels like they fixed a problem.Dragon #75 said that Tiamat only ruled as far as she could reach, anyway, saying that Avernus was mostly wilderness outside Tiamat's control. This fits the idea that the true ruler of the layer was someone else.</blockquote>

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