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<blockquote data-quote="The Serge" data-source="post: 2858369" data-attributes="member: 4049">Psion, the claim you're making is applicable to both sides of this debate.&nbsp; There are plenty of folks who like these anemic stats who will have been supporting them repeatedly in two different threads.&nbsp; You don't think it was a canonical decision as well?&nbsp; 2ed stats for the pit fiend, balor, solar, and ultroloth were at the high end of the stat spread to support their cosmic statures.&nbsp; All were just below the rungs of true individual power.&nbsp; The increase in power may well have been partly a mechanical and gameplay issue, but I disagree that it was strictly due to these at the expense of canon.Canon also supports (and with greater strength, I contend) the archfiends being essentially on par with at least demigods, if not lesser gods.&nbsp; As for the pending stats in FCI, the decision is clearly canon or else they wouldn't have bothered printing them in the first place.&nbsp; While 3ed is about options, it still remains clear that stats taken from the various texts are intended to serve as official.&nbsp; These stats appear in most official WotC material and even in third party texts if they're SRD.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Serge, post: 2858369, member: 4049"] Psion, the claim you're making is applicable to both sides of this debate. There are plenty of folks who like these anemic stats who will have been supporting them repeatedly in two different threads. You don't think it was a canonical decision as well? 2ed stats for the pit fiend, balor, solar, and ultroloth were at the high end of the stat spread to support their cosmic statures. All were just below the rungs of true individual power. The increase in power may well have been partly a mechanical and gameplay issue, but I disagree that it was strictly due to these at the expense of canon. Canon also supports (and with greater strength, I contend) the archfiends being essentially on par with at least demigods, if not lesser gods. As for the pending stats in FCI, the decision is clearly canon or else they wouldn't have bothered printing them in the first place. While 3ed is about options, it still remains clear that stats taken from the various texts are intended to serve as official. These stats appear in most official WotC material and even in third party texts if they're SRD. [/QUOTE]

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