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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Giygasfan" data-source="post: 2858540" data-attributes="member: 40868">First, I want to say hello to everyone as this is my first post on ENWorld. Now, on topic:First off, I don't care what you do In your own campiagn. If you want to use a CR 1/8 Demogorgon that gets beat up by goblins, thats fine w/me. I wouldn't want to play in a campign like that and you may have a hard time finding players, but if you can, fine, I don't care. What I find offensive is that WotC preseants ArchFiends this weak as official. That is an insult to them and thier flavor. They should be at a minimum CR 30-50ish, prefeabley higher. WotC could include weaker versions as a variant rule, but the officail versions should be that powerful. Me and my freinds play high level Epic games, and I am annoyed by the lack of support from WotC in that area. Now, as for you people who say that you couldn't use those high of stats and it's a waste of paper, either decide that you are willing to get the book anyway or don't get it at all. one solution would be to put all the Archfiends (of all the alignments) in a sepreate book so that if you don't want to waste money one high level stats you can't use, you don't have to. but since WotC isn't likely to do that, They shouldn't nerf the Archfiends becouse of some whiny people claiming that high level epic stats are a waste of paper. I consider the stats in BoVD a waste of paper, as they are way to weak. Different people use different levels of power when they play, so since WotC can't make Arch Fiends for all of them, they should just make ones that make since from a flavor perspective, which is around the power that DF puts them.</blockquote>

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