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<blockquote data-quote="GVDammerung" data-source="post: 2858889" data-attributes="member: 33060">Not even.&nbsp; The idea that deities and powerful extra planar entities are not just jumped up monsters has been around, in one guise or another, since practically the beginning.&nbsp; It has been a consistent source of debate.&nbsp; It is not just a function of Planescape.Planescape did not originate the mythology of the Great Wheel.&nbsp; That has been around practically forever.&nbsp; You give Planescape too much credit if you demonize it for inventing the idea that gods and powerful extra planar entities are not just jumped up monsters.The cliche of the munchkin PC slaying gods and wondering how much he can get for Thor's hammer etc. has been around and decried for ages.&nbsp; Some aspects of 2E were seemingly in direct response to such, and while there may have been a move too far in some directions, the overall theory was sound - PCs don't just walk up to Thor and demand his hammer, nor Orcus and his wand, &quot;or else.&quot;&nbsp; Not even 20th level PCs.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GVDammerung, post: 2858889, member: 33060"] Not even. The idea that deities and powerful extra planar entities are not just jumped up monsters has been around, in one guise or another, since practically the beginning. It has been a consistent source of debate. It is not just a function of Planescape. Planescape did not originate the mythology of the Great Wheel. That has been around practically forever. You give Planescape too much credit if you demonize it for inventing the idea that gods and powerful extra planar entities are not just jumped up monsters. The cliche of the munchkin PC slaying gods and wondering how much he can get for Thor's hammer etc. has been around and decried for ages. Some aspects of 2E were seemingly in direct response to such, and while there may have been a move too far in some directions, the overall theory was sound - PCs don't just walk up to Thor and demand his hammer, nor Orcus and his wand, "or else." Not even 20th level PCs. [/QUOTE]

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