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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gold Roger" data-source="post: 2858975" data-attributes="member: 33904">I'll post on my own account only. I guess the debate got so long winded that I just threw all people on one side into the same camp altogether. I appologize for that, though I guess it really is hard to avoid in a debate like this.Demon princes should be, in some way, higher powered than other demonst, but still in striking distance of a demon prince of layer. That's my personal position and I guess I'm not alone with it. But many people claim a demon prince shouldn't be killable at 20th level, either because "he's not just another monster" (neither is any 20th level NPC, but those are still killable.) or because they want to defend epic level play.Why do I keep defending an approach where some demon lords are lower than a balor? Well, for one there's the whole godpower on layer story, that renders much of the discussion moot to me.Then, only Jubilex is really lower than a balor, and I don't care for the slimebag, he's just a bunch of demonic goo that controls half a layer filled with only minor demons.For the others, the lowered CR may have been an overkill. A CR 25 Demon lord is still killable, so the lowest could well have been 22 or somesuch.</blockquote>