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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BogusMagus" data-source="post: 2859856" data-attributes="member: 8356">Hi guys,Some people has already said similar stuff, but can I join the fun?Forget about Balor for a moment. Let’s presume 20th Level is the max, and no character exists beyond that level. Let’s say PC should have a chance to defeat a Demon Lord at the end of the campaign.Isn’t CR19-23, still bit low?Assuming the CR system works as stated in DMG;A 4-men party of 20th levels should be able to defeat EL20 easily.An equivalent EL is 24, right?An 8-men party should have a chance against EL26, right?So, wouldn’t CR24-26+, be more appropriate for this purpose?Assuming they are killable opponents, they are at least suppose to be “super-bosses” of the campaign/world, aren’t they?So give the PC’s some cheesy help. An artifact, or even one per character. Celestial buddies. It’s the climax of the campaign, the fight of century, right?Or is it suppose to be just a routine, the opponent of the day?(BTW, my preference would be: Demon Lords to be Deity-equivalent, at least on their home turf. And their Aspects/Avatars/Manifestations on other Planes, defeatable.)</blockquote>