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Demon Lords and Princes: How *Bad* Should They Be?
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<blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 2860248" data-attributes="member: 172"><p>I've done epic levels before. Epic in the ballpark of CR90 is another kettle of fish entirely.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure. But it's in the minority. You don't sell a product by catering to a small minority. You do what you can in the space you have. And they've done that. They've provided a baseline in reach of the plurality of the audience, and provided scaling notes to keep it usable to those who want it to be more challenging.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Figuring how many skill points is just the beginning of the battle. How do you know that you have done it right? The stat block does not let you know what levels the character took intelligence bonuses at. I usually fail liberal here and assume that any bonuses to intelligence happened early, but still, that's an added step of complication and second guessing that I would not have to have gone through.</p><p></p><p>Then I have to reverse engineer the skill modifiers into ranks and bonuses to make sure I am not going into the negatives on any skill ranks, or to see if any synergy modifiers go away.</p><p></p><p>And then, the advancement notes talk about adding spell like and other abilities. Which are the right ones to shave off?</p><p></p><p>Finally, that you have no trouble de-advancing thing is a good skill to have if you have truly mastered it. I would think that if you could de-advance, you could advance it. If you find mechanical manipulation no big deal, then why are you making all this fuss.</p><p></p><p>And let's get back to the real point here. If you want, and will actually make use of CR 90 statistics, you are in the minority. It makes no sense to cater to just you, or to primarily you. Far more people would have to be doing work to lower it to the low 20s range than the amount of people who will be doing the work to raise it to the CR90 range.</p><p></p><p>And, on another point, a CR90 creature would have a much larger statistic block, with more special abilities, skills, and feats. The creature would take up even more pages in a book that already suffers from page crunch.</p><p></p><p>You are asking WotC to deliver a book to you that meets your exact needs at the expense of a much larger segment of the audience. That's unreasonable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Psion, post: 2860248, member: 172"] I've done epic levels before. Epic in the ballpark of CR90 is another kettle of fish entirely. Sure. But it's in the minority. You don't sell a product by catering to a small minority. You do what you can in the space you have. And they've done that. They've provided a baseline in reach of the plurality of the audience, and provided scaling notes to keep it usable to those who want it to be more challenging. Figuring how many skill points is just the beginning of the battle. How do you know that you have done it right? The stat block does not let you know what levels the character took intelligence bonuses at. I usually fail liberal here and assume that any bonuses to intelligence happened early, but still, that's an added step of complication and second guessing that I would not have to have gone through. Then I have to reverse engineer the skill modifiers into ranks and bonuses to make sure I am not going into the negatives on any skill ranks, or to see if any synergy modifiers go away. And then, the advancement notes talk about adding spell like and other abilities. Which are the right ones to shave off? Finally, that you have no trouble de-advancing thing is a good skill to have if you have truly mastered it. I would think that if you could de-advance, you could advance it. If you find mechanical manipulation no big deal, then why are you making all this fuss. And let's get back to the real point here. If you want, and will actually make use of CR 90 statistics, you are in the minority. It makes no sense to cater to just you, or to primarily you. Far more people would have to be doing work to lower it to the low 20s range than the amount of people who will be doing the work to raise it to the CR90 range. And, on another point, a CR90 creature would have a much larger statistic block, with more special abilities, skills, and feats. The creature would take up even more pages in a book that already suffers from page crunch. You are asking WotC to deliver a book to you that meets your exact needs at the expense of a much larger segment of the audience. That's unreasonable. [/QUOTE]
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