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<blockquote data-quote="The Serge" data-source="post: 1333337" data-attributes="member: 4049">I disagree with the initial statement.&nbsp; For the most part, the various Lords of Evil and the higher ranking &quot;generic&quot; fiends are very comparable.&nbsp; True, the parallels aren't as severe as what happened in 2ed and the emergence of The Blood War, but it was there to begin with.&nbsp; Afterall, when one looks at Demogorgon and Asmodeus, it's clear that these two monsters are supposed to parallel each other as the pinnacles of Chaotic evil and Lawful evil respectively.<s></s><s>But it's that sentence that implies that they do fill some kind of niche... a more organized alternative in The Abyss to the Demon Lords and Demon Princes.&nbsp; </s><s></s><s>Furthermore, &quot;type&quot; implies a nich, group, or organization.... something I've always (and to this day, still) thought was a silly concept for creatures of The Abyss.&nbsp; The Hordlings would have made better demons than the demons in the 1ed MM.</s><s></s><s></s><s>&quot;Six are known to exist&quot; implies that there is a limit to the number of these creatures and that the limit isn't going to be much more than six...</s><s></s><s></s><s>The suggestion of &quot;loose style of play&quot; is debatable, but not the subject for this thread, so I'll leave it alone.</s><s></s><s>I do agree with you on the issue of Ecology, though.&nbsp; However, there's a lot of ecological material in OAD&amp;D on the Planes, whether one goes with the magazines, modules, or (especially) Manual of the Planes, which provides very clear indications of what Gygax and company had in mind.&nbsp; This material was not just in statistics, but in very thorough flavor-text.&nbsp; That's why I am of the opinion that the limitation in numbers for the Type VI Demon is pretty much the way it's supposed to be officially.&nbsp; Everything strongly implies as much.</s></blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Serge, post: 1333337, member: 4049"] I disagree with the initial statement. For the most part, the various Lords of Evil and the higher ranking "generic" fiends are very comparable. True, the parallels aren't as severe as what happened in 2ed and the emergence of The Blood War, but it was there to begin with. Afterall, when one looks at Demogorgon and Asmodeus, it's clear that these two monsters are supposed to parallel each other as the pinnacles of Chaotic evil and Lawful evil respectively. [s] But it's that sentence that implies that they do fill some kind of niche... a more organized alternative in The Abyss to the Demon Lords and Demon Princes. Furthermore, "type" implies a nich, group, or organization.... something I've always (and to this day, still) thought was a silly concept for creatures of The Abyss. The Hordlings would have made better demons than the demons in the 1ed MM. "Six are known to exist" implies that there is a limit to the number of these creatures and that the limit isn't going to be much more than six... The suggestion of "loose style of play" is debatable, but not the subject for this thread, so I'll leave it alone. I do agree with you on the issue of Ecology, though. However, there's a lot of ecological material in OAD&D on the Planes, whether one goes with the magazines, modules, or (especially) [i]Manual of the Planes[/i], which provides [i]very[/i] clear indications of what Gygax and company had in mind. This material was not just in statistics, but in very thorough flavor-text. That's why I am of the opinion that the limitation in numbers for the Type VI Demon is pretty much the way it's supposed to be officially. Everything strongly implies as much.[/s] [/QUOTE]

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