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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pants" data-source="post: 656993" data-attributes="member: 8849">So for my next game this weekend I'm planning to have my PC's get ambushed by some mean and p.o.ed demons.  I've pretty much set up how the ambush is going to occur (somewhat...), but my real problem is with the challenge of the encounter.  Personally, I want this to be a challenging fight, but my PC's are very inconsistant when it comes to fighting things.  They aren't the most stat high group either, but well here's a rundown of the PC's (I hope my players don't read this site...)10th lvl Dwarven Rogue TN10th lvl Sun Elf Wizard 'LG'8th lvl Gnomish Druid CN9th Human lvl Cleric NGNow what I do want to do is challenge them and the demons are being ordered to take prisoners (some may die, but they're going for prisoners.  It's all in the plot <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> ) and I'm horrible with CR's and EL's.  But here's a rundown of what they're up against:2 Human Wizards both lvl 7 (memorized mostly hold or other based spells eg Ray of Enfeeble and Hold person.  Both have a Dimension Anchor Memorized)8 Human Guards (low lvl Warriors)1 Human Expert 5/Aristocrat 3 (Yes, he is a combatant)3 Bar-lguras (from BoVD)2 Rutterkin (from BoVD as well)8 Manes (see above)8 Dretches1 Succubus Advanced to 9 HD with a snazzy sword and some upped statsI guess I should give a rundown of the quest, as things will make a bit more sense.  Basically, the world that I run is a psuedo-low magic world and the characters have just learned about large caches of magic weapons that are being made by some unknown group.  The weapons are throughly evil (they cause the wielder to go into a Berserk like state) that are being used to spread chaos all over the land.  The characters managed to make off with half of the load of weapons and dump them in the ocean.  They are now coming to the location of the last batch of weapons (located in a large city) and are going to try to get rid of them as well.  The last time they managed to get away without spilling any blood, but this time the 'evil bad dudes' will be prepared.The Succubus is impersonating a Guard and has a Misdirect spell cast on her.  She will essentially be the trap springer.  The Manes and Dretches are all covered with Silent Images (representing large crates), the Barlgura's are Invisible along with the Wizards who are maintaining the Silent Images.  The Rutterkin and the Guards are hiding in a set of boxes (the openings covered by Illusionary Walls) and all are awaiting the word of the Succubus.Now, I'm trying to make this a difficult encounter, one where they may get away or they get captured.  Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.  Note: The weapons they are searching for do detect as Evil, but if the Cleric of the group has a Detect Evil going, the whole plan will probably be shot.</blockquote>

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