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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Erik Mona" data-source="post: 2682701" data-attributes="member: 2174">Ok, here's a new question.I'm a little confused by the existing continuity regarding Layer 400, the Woeful Escarand, particularly in regards to manes and the Pits of Despair. Numerous sources suggest that manes are your run of the mill chaotic evil petitioners. My question is this: Do _all_ of them appear on this layer to be judged? That seems like a lot of work for the Lords of Woe, and one wonders how so many manes manage to end the process as, well, manes. My initial thought (as outlined briefly in "Armies of the Abyss") is that a lot of petitioners show up on the first layer, and are harvested by demons associated with various lords, captured, and taken through portals to the domains of their new masters to be used as troops, food, etc. I'm unsure how to fit this into the existing material on the Woeful Escarand, however, and would appreciate the scholarship of the fine folks posting to this thread.Also, it's somewhat confusing trying to tie all of this in with the larvae, which went from something exclusive to Hades (1e) to something that seems to transcend the Lower Planes. Larvae can be turned into quasits and imps, which can evolve to more powerful demons (like manes). What makes one dead CE character a manes and the other a larva?--Erik</blockquote>