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<blockquote data-quote="Grover Cleaveland" data-source="post: 2682934" data-attributes="member: 34932">If I remember correctly, there's a creature called an Abyssal Larva in the Creature Collection II. They look really different from the wormlike larvae of the Gray Waste - like infants or fetuses with crablike legs. What I'm getting at is that &quot;larvae&quot; may have different appearances on different planes. I've always seen things this way: that in the Abyss larvae can evolve on their own into manes relatively quickly, and they're still petitioners, not true tanar'ri, when they do so. In the Nine Hells they evolve into nupperibos on their own - and these nupperibos are still petitioners as well. In the Gray Waste, larvae evolve into hordlings. Baatezu can only be created by other baatezu, however - lemures aren't &quot;natural&quot; in the way that manes and nupperibos are.I don't think the nalfeshnee are an essential step in tanar'ric evolution. Those who rule the Mountain of Woe have taken it as their role to speed up the process in order to supply the balors with vast hordes of troops. If they didn't do this, the tanar'ric armies would take longer to muster, but the tanar'ri race would still exist in all its forms (though some forms that are now common thanks to nalfeshnee interference would be rarer, largely confined to the layers in which they originally evolved).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Grover Cleaveland, post: 2682934, member: 34932"] If I remember correctly, there's a creature called an Abyssal Larva in the [i]Creature Collection II[/i]. They look really different from the wormlike larvae of the Gray Waste - like infants or fetuses with crablike legs. What I'm getting at is that "larvae" may have different appearances on different planes. I've always seen things this way: that in the Abyss larvae can evolve on their own into manes relatively quickly, and they're still petitioners, not true tanar'ri, when they do so. In the Nine Hells they evolve into nupperibos on their own - and these nupperibos are still petitioners as well. In the Gray Waste, larvae evolve into hordlings. Baatezu can only be created by other baatezu, however - lemures aren't "natural" in the way that manes and nupperibos are. I don't think the nalfeshnee are an essential step in tanar'ric evolution. Those who rule the Mountain of Woe have taken it as their role to speed up the process in order to supply the balors with vast hordes of troops. If they didn't do this, the tanar'ric armies would take longer to muster, but the tanar'ri race would still exist in all its forms (though some forms that are now common thanks to nalfeshnee interference would be rarer, largely confined to the layers in which they originally evolved). [/QUOTE]

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