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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 2683070" data-attributes="member: 11697">That's probably referring to the fact that petitioners claimed by specific deities can take alternate forms, and on some of the lower planes such as Gehenna and Carceri where they aren't automatically larvae, but not suggesting anything about manes.By promotion most likely once there, or spontaneous evolution of larvae into manes in the Abyss. That quote is ambiguious enough for you to claim it, but there's no other evidence really in what I've read suggesting that they can start as manes.That said, I don't mind the idea of a very small fraction of CE Abyssal petitioners starting out as manes. There's not much difference between that and Tanar'ri being spontaneously born out of the raw stuff of the Abyss, which does happen occasionally. They're not bubbling up regularly like mezzoloths on the Waste or Gehenna, but they can appear de novo from time to time. While there's little to directly come out in support of the idea, I don't mind the most extremely CE petitioners starting off as manes.By the sources though, it should be more like they spontaneously evolve to manes in very short order from larvae once there in the Abyss.</blockquote>