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<blockquote data-quote="BOZ" data-source="post: 2690288" data-attributes="member: 1241">well done.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; forcing you to explain yourself allows you to show your reasoning, and to show those viewing this thread where you are coming from that they may decide &quot;the truth&quot; for themselves.&nbsp; i would not make the gremlins from the Abyss (or any discernable place in particular), but that is my opinion.as for the krakentua, not all things called &quot;demon&quot; are from the abyss or are what proper D&amp;D considers a demon.&nbsp; yes, several things from K-T were mentioned in PS, but i don't recall the krakentua being one of them.&nbsp; some things not originally officially &quot;D&amp;D-Abyssal&quot; (such as the several Dragonlance monsters you mentioned; remember that &quot;Abyss&quot; in DL was a general reference to all lower planes, not specifically the main CE plane) were later assumed by the PS designers to be officially abyssal.&nbsp; again, i say, as far as i know the krakentua was not one of them.&nbsp; a DM can decide that they are abyssal for his campaign, and a designer can decide that they are (making it official for all time), but until there is an official word it is DM-call.&nbsp; the celestial beurocracy is not tied to the same rules as the rest of the multiverse, and may have other planes that they use (Spirit World, for one).&nbsp; i think the krakentua, personally, is from the Spirit World, as you will note in the CC conversion (near the bottom): <a href="http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=852" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=852</a></blockquote>

[QUOTE="BOZ, post: 2690288, member: 1241"] well done. :) forcing you to explain yourself allows you to show your reasoning, and to show those viewing this thread where you are coming from that they may decide "the truth" for themselves. i would not make the gremlins from the Abyss (or any discernable place in particular), but that is my opinion. as for the krakentua, not all things called "demon" are from the abyss or are what proper D&D considers a demon. yes, several things from K-T were mentioned in PS, but i don't recall the krakentua being one of them. some things not originally officially "D&D-Abyssal" (such as the several Dragonlance monsters you mentioned; remember that "Abyss" in DL was a general reference to all lower planes, not specifically the main CE plane) were later assumed by the PS designers to be officially abyssal. again, i say, as far as i know the krakentua was not one of them. a DM can decide that they are abyssal for his campaign, and a designer can decide that they are (making it official for all time), but until there is an official word it is DM-call. the celestial beurocracy is not tied to the same rules as the rest of the multiverse, and may have other planes that they use (Spirit World, for one). i think the krakentua, personally, is from the Spirit World, as you will note in the CC conversion (near the bottom): [url]http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=852[/url] [/QUOTE]

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