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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 3447523" data-attributes="member: 11697">Babylonian Nergal's avatar on Toril (his so-called god-king manifestation that the untheric gods used to get around the Imaskari barrier) was killed during the Orcgate Wars, which removed his deific presence from FR, but back on the planes at large, Nergal is still there in his deific domain on the Gray Waste, still worshipped on a multitude of worlds (just no longer on Toril).Baatorian Nergal... good question. He was ostensibly killed in the events of Elminster in Hell, except the novel doesn't exactly use Baator, but rather Greenwood's own vision of the place that doesn't (from what we see in the novel) really take into account some of the developments to the plane since his early 1e articles in Dragon. For instance the novel has Geryon seemingly still holding some proper political authority and in official command of a force of fiends. I can't say if Ed was ignoring Geryon's change since 1e (either intentionally, or just not knowing it, or using the retroactive FR cosmology change to just go crazy) but I suppose it then brings into question if stuff in bizarro Baator should be included for purposes of canon in Baator in other sources.If FR is going to claim to operate in a seperate cosmology, then nominally material dealing with the planes at large shouldn't be beholden to recent things in a self-proclaimed totally seperate cosmology, even in Baator* which is exactly like Baator but totally different and not connected, etc etc.That said, in this particular case I'd personally go with the exiled archfiend Nergal as being dead, killed by some version of the events in EiH, assuming Toril to be playing in the same sandbox as everyone else.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 3447523, member: 11697"] Babylonian Nergal's avatar on Toril (his so-called god-king manifestation that the untheric gods used to get around the Imaskari barrier) was killed during the Orcgate Wars, which removed his deific presence from FR, but back on the planes at large, Nergal is still there in his deific domain on the Gray Waste, still worshipped on a multitude of worlds (just no longer on Toril). Baatorian Nergal... good question. He was ostensibly killed in the events of Elminster in Hell, except the novel doesn't exactly use Baator, but rather Greenwood's own vision of the place that doesn't (from what we see in the novel) really take into account some of the developments to the plane since his early 1e articles in Dragon. For instance the novel has Geryon seemingly still holding some proper political authority and in official command of a force of fiends. I can't say if Ed was ignoring Geryon's change since 1e (either intentionally, or just not knowing it, or using the retroactive FR cosmology change to just go crazy) but I suppose it then brings into question if stuff in bizarro Baator should be included for purposes of canon in Baator in other sources. If FR is going to claim to operate in a seperate cosmology, then nominally material dealing with the planes at large shouldn't be beholden to recent things in a self-proclaimed totally seperate cosmology, even in Baator* which is exactly like Baator but totally different and not connected, etc etc. That said, in this particular case I'd personally go with the exiled archfiend Nergal as being dead, killed by some version of the events in EiH, assuming Toril to be playing in the same sandbox as everyone else. [/QUOTE]

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