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<blockquote data-quote="JohnRTroy" data-source="post: 560847" data-attributes="member: 2732">But even before the PC police took place, the so-called angelic ones--the devas, planetars, and solars, were not called angels in the 1st edition, and for that you'd have to ask the guy who wrote them, Gary Gygax.Personally, I lament the fact that the &quot;cosmetari&quot; have lost their original purpose.&nbsp; I felt when Gary created them he made them fewer in number for a reason--the upper planes had fewer legions but they were much more powerful than the lower realms, and they were incorruptable.&nbsp;&nbsp; Heck, only 24 Solars were known to exist (if I remember correctly), so the population was meant to be small.Now they have to share with all those extra guys 2e added--Eladrin, Guardianals, Archons, and you have all these references now to &quot;fallen angels&quot; in other products, even though the core 3rd Edition rules emphasizes that the outsiders almost never shift alignment, maybe 1 in 1,000,000. Grump Grump Grump.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="JohnRTroy, post: 560847, member: 2732"] But even before the PC police took place, the so-called angelic ones--the devas, planetars, and solars, were not called angels in the 1st edition, and for that you'd have to ask the guy who wrote them, Gary Gygax. Personally, I lament the fact that the "cosmetari" have lost their original purpose. I felt when Gary created them he made them fewer in number for a reason--the upper planes had fewer legions but they were much more powerful than the lower realms, and they were incorruptable. Heck, only 24 Solars were known to exist (if I remember correctly), so the population was meant to be small. Now they have to share with all those extra guys 2e added--Eladrin, Guardianals, Archons, and you have all these references now to "fallen angels" in other products, even though the core 3rd Edition rules emphasizes that the outsiders almost never shift alignment, maybe 1 in 1,000,000. Grump Grump Grump. :p [/QUOTE]

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