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<blockquote data-quote="Tzeentch" data-source="post: 4399069" data-attributes="member: 13222"><p>4e makes a lot of things easier ... class design is NOT one of them :0) Huge thanks for the constructive criticisms!</p><p></p><p></p><p>This was intentional for the at-wills so the debuff effects have to be re-applied. You're certainly right in other cases though.</p><p></p><p>That was a playtester suggestion. Yeah it's pretty lame in retrospect.</p><p></p><p>This was an intentional resource management decision due to how some of the focus effects worked, and partly a nod to the original psionic focus rules. Since it looks like the class has problematic elements this is certainly up for a change.</p><p></p><p>The 4e range of appropriate bonuses is taking some getting used to <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I see your point and will change.</p><p></p><p>This is more-or-less a direct riff off an ability that the dwarven pugilist has in the DMG. Heck its even wimpier since you have to spend a resource unit for it. I thought it was an interesting ability that fit the concept. It didn't seem to be too overpowered in play due to the low damage by itself and the fact it couldn't be chained with the expended focus ability of discern vulnerability.</p><p></p><p>Agreed, it is thematically out of place.</p><p></p><p>Agreed.</p><p></p><p>Aye, it's a mistake.</p><p></p><p>I understand what you mean, but as most of the debuffs the dervish, in its current form, applies are status effects this doesn't work out well in practice without the Secondary Attack mechanism since I'm not applying Wisdom modifier as penalty to speed or anything like that, just straight-up Slowed.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I closely read the swordmage preview but honestly completely overlooked applying that concept here <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> I was just so married to the regaining focus concept, bah. This is a good call, and seems in line with the intent I was aiming for.</p><p></p><p>The rest are excellent ideas for revision, thanks!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tzeentch, post: 4399069, member: 13222"] 4e makes a lot of things easier ... class design is NOT one of them :0) Huge thanks for the constructive criticisms! This was intentional for the at-wills so the debuff effects have to be re-applied. You're certainly right in other cases though. That was a playtester suggestion. Yeah it's pretty lame in retrospect. This was an intentional resource management decision due to how some of the focus effects worked, and partly a nod to the original psionic focus rules. Since it looks like the class has problematic elements this is certainly up for a change. The 4e range of appropriate bonuses is taking some getting used to :) I see your point and will change. This is more-or-less a direct riff off an ability that the dwarven pugilist has in the DMG. Heck its even wimpier since you have to spend a resource unit for it. I thought it was an interesting ability that fit the concept. It didn't seem to be too overpowered in play due to the low damage by itself and the fact it couldn't be chained with the expended focus ability of discern vulnerability. Agreed, it is thematically out of place. Agreed. Aye, it's a mistake. I understand what you mean, but as most of the debuffs the dervish, in its current form, applies are status effects this doesn't work out well in practice without the Secondary Attack mechanism since I'm not applying Wisdom modifier as penalty to speed or anything like that, just straight-up Slowed. I closely read the swordmage preview but honestly completely overlooked applying that concept here :( I was just so married to the regaining focus concept, bah. This is a good call, and seems in line with the intent I was aiming for. The rest are excellent ideas for revision, thanks! [/QUOTE]
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