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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DamionW" data-source="post: 2576549" data-attributes="member: 18649">I don't think you have my complaint properly represented.  My desire is not avoid first person interaction entirely, I just want the ability of my character to advance the plot to not be solely dependent of my capacity to develop specific in-character dialogue.  I don't understand how DMs who enjoy good role-playing justify fighters combat prowess being irrespective of the player's martial skill in life, and a wizards spell repetoire and spell DC being disconnected from that person's actual knowledge of incantations here on Earth, but when you want to have a social character (or riddler, or tactician), suddenly that IS dependent on personal capacity to act in that manner.  It's a fundamental lack of equity.  I like plot development.  I like background.  I just am not always skilled at developing dialogue in first person.If I design a character with all aspects in mind that this individual, in this specific fictional space is capable of lying through his teeth in the blink of an eye, if I can't do that here in real space, why should my character design suffer for it?  I just don't see a valid argument for that.  Part of being the DM is taking all players preferences in mind, what they find enjoyable and using that to arbitrate the game.  Just because you enjoy getting into character shouldn't mean those who don't, but still contribute actively to your plot and your game should be treated as second-class citizens to the better actors of the group.  That's your enjoyment factor you get out of developing different personality traits for different NPCs and flexibly portraying each in first person.  My emotional kick is watching a satisfying plot flourish with all of its intricisies and twists and contributing actively to it with my character's decisions and actions.  Does that make me less of role-player and more of a munchkin?  I say no, I just have different motivations for playing.You say social actions don't need adjutication at all.  So how do those players who want to move your plot forward and explore interesting character concepts out, but aren't proficient at first-person dialogue receive equity to those who are proficient speakers, or those who are combat munchkins whose failsafe mechanics work fluidly?  I propose you can't unless you give some allowance that there are mechanics to develop social characters and if a player wants to utilize them you should empower them, not detract from them.</blockquote>

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